David Gelles joins guest host Jimmy Soni to discuss his career covering business for The New York Times. They talk about his books - Mindful Work, The Man Who Broke Capitalism, and Dirtbag Billionaire - and the reporting behind major stories on Bernie Madoff, Jack Welch, Boeing's 737 Max crashes, and Patagonia's Yvon Chouinard.

David explains how he broke a front-page story five weeks into journalism school, how he convinced Bernie Madoff to grant him a prison interview, and his process for writing books while working full-time. They also discuss raising kids who read for hours every day and why meditation helps him stay sane.

Timestamps

0:00 Intro
2:00 From Student Underground to Journalism
9:20 Landing on the Front Page of The New York Times
18:09 Interviewing Bernie Madoff in Prison
22:34 Turning Reporting Into Books
29:03 Writing While Working Full-Time
35:14 Mindfulness, Buddhism, and Creative Work
46:17 How Jack Welch Shaped Modern Business
55:20 The Patagonia Story
1:03:13 Raising Kids Who Love Reading